Links:
Paradox Process: https://www.paradoxprocess.org/
Ziva Meditation: https://zivameditation.com/
Thomas Jones on Luke Storey Podcast: https://youtu.be/cB5OT3vtpP8
A demo of Paradox Process with Thomas Jones and Emily Fletcher: https://youtu.be/vkXdaGmKTtQ
I can only say I’ve had one of the best times of my life getting to know Nina Patry. For all the negativity around Facebook, that’s where I met her. In a forum for Lorie Ladd, during the COVID madness. Our paths were destined to cross. Our connection and experience together, over the last 6 months, was enough to make me want to podcast again. You’ll hear the description of how I thought we met and then Nina’s description of how we met, which was far more accurate. Funny. What I want to note is how important it has been for Nina to solidify her inner voice and deep knowing, her authentic self, despite the external reality into which she was born is one in which often didn’t make sense in a way that allowed her to feel loved and at home with her own awesomeness and value.
Born the oldest of 7, to a world-renowned, MD working in the field of Pharmacology~ in NYC, busy parents, whose hands were full, she internalized the message to stay out of the way and not draw attention to herself. did not follow any preconceived or single life path, like me, she’s been an avid student of life. Each experience led her further into asking the question, “Is this really all there is?”. From her earliest memories to today, she weaves a beautiful narrative based upon the inner and outer experience of each memory she shares. She states, “If I’d have had to plan a life for myself to get me to where I am today, I could not have planned it any better!”
I am honored to get the chance to ask her questions and discuss pretty much freestyle, her navigation across the time-space continuum, the adventures she’s had along the way, what was gleaned, what was stored and how each experience held a gift, like a scavenger hunt, leading her along the path of further stepping into her soul’s purpose. There’s so much within the episode, and I’ve noted the timestamps that I thought jumped out, below. Please also note the very important links Nina asked me to share on Emily Fletcher and Ziva Meditation as well as on Thomas Jones and The Paradox Process.
“here’s my mother picturing me living in the woods with an outhouse, etc, etc. And she had said to me, how can you be living such a Hard life. So one day I’m out there kicking the ice out of the buckets, thinking hard life. Wait a minute, when my mother was my age, she had five kids, the hardest thing I have to do is kick the frozen ice out of their buckets on these, you know, under zero-degree morning. That’s the hardest thing that I do. What is she talking about? What is she talking about? Again, it’s this whole relative reality, you know, the people look, five, just like me looking from the outside saying, I could never do that.”
6:22-Story of her birth
8:19-Moving around quite a bit, lessons of relative reality
10:30-Germany. Going to Germany as an exchange student-meeting Mormons
15:25-Nina’s boyfriend meets up with her dad at John’s Hopkins-dad did not face things emotionally
16:55 -What attracted her to Mormonism-the gestalt…what life was about, father in heaven, etc
18:55-Dad came home with a cat-couldn’t believe he had given her something so wonderful!
21:00-Always had knowings
22:01-Dream about the cat on the payphone
24:04-What am I getting out of this life if I’m the creator?
25:22-Living in East Village (NYC) during a tumultuous time
30:20-Drawn to the book, “The Primal Scream” without seeing the title. She thought it odd her father would have such a book
33:06-Being in a cult, what she got out of it, “life can be different” theme
34:12-Moving to Vermont, 1981
34:44-Living in the woods in Norwich VT area, no indoor plumbing, thought “they were crazy” at first but then she was in it
35:22-these experiences where she’d observe a situation and say to herself, “I could never do that” and then would be in the situation
36:30-Realization again of relative reality. Mother telling her she has a “hard life” living in the woods, when her mother had already had 5 children at her age
38:20-meeting husband Jim Patry, May 1, 1989 at 5pm
39:50-“Oh that Nina, she doesn’t appreciate our family” (yes she does)…
41:47- Tapping, one of the most effective methods she’s found
41:25-Looking for answers-always wanting to be healthy, looking at health, what did that mean… Healing modalities, “never met a healing modality she didn’t like”….
42:22-March 2020-Awareness of COVID from people at work (Vermont Country Store)-was not afraid at all
43:45-Nina dips back into some of her psychological histories, having diagnoses, bi-polar, being put on medications
44:20-Found meditation via Emily Fletcher of Ziva Meditation and decided she’d rather be “meditated, not medicated”
44:51-Coming off psych meds the right way after discovering Peter Breggin, M.D’s work
46:46-Meeting Thomas Jones, co-creator of The Paradox Process
49:02-Nina’s definition of Paradox Process
50:36-The Paradox Process sends you inside for answers
53:45 Lorie Ladd and The Paradox Process-never happier!!
54:38-From Primal Scream Therapy to Paradox Process
55:34-There are a lot of performers that utilize The Paradox Process, they use their bodies as instruments that need tuning
56:00-Is this a cult? Initial questioning of The Paradox Process after her cult experience
58:25-Concluding discussion-Rutland MA/Rutland VT-Rutland Pharmacy
60:00 The Paradox Process, detailed information
